tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9695096.post3930480084446954070..comments2024-02-14T03:56:12.027-08:00Comments on La Salette Journey: Elizabeth Scalia believes that Pope Benedict XVI is wrong about homosexuality being incompatible with the priesthoodPaul Anthony Melansonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08455719838570381999noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9695096.post-40825101582198458122012-07-12T14:54:19.042-07:002012-07-12T14:54:19.042-07:00Scalia agrees with Gonnerman that the Church has o...Scalia agrees with Gonnerman that the Church has often failed to be family toward homosexual persons and then she suggests that a remedy is for the curia, "to stop turning a blind eye to a simple truth, that numbered among our priests are faithful, celibate, joyful priests who are homosexual.." Then she adds, "I wonder if [the Church's] bishops and religious leaders will, for example, have to acknowledge with loving support the numerous celibate homosexual priests who, throughout history and still today, serve her faithfully, courageously, and with great joy. Such an acknowledgment could go a long way repairing that disconnect that keeps everyone talking about tolerance while walking away from it.<br /><br />It would speak to the value of the human person as he is created; it would reinforce the church’s own teaching that the homosexual inclination is not in-and-of-itself sinful.."<br /><br />Scalia conveniently ignores the fact that the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has said that, "Although the particular inclination of the homosexual person is not a sin, it is a more or less strong tendency ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil; and thus the inclination itself must be seen as an objective disorder." (Letter to the Bishops of the Catholic Church on the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons, No. 3).<br /><br />So much for professionalism and honesty.Paul Anthony Melansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08455719838570381999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9695096.post-33079962095999703042012-07-12T14:41:34.289-07:002012-07-12T14:41:34.289-07:00The Catholic News Service article states clearly:
...The Catholic News Service article states clearly:<br /><br /><br />"The pope cited a 2005 Vatican document that drew a sharp line against priestly ordination of homosexuals. He said the document emphasized that homosexual candidates cannot become priests because their sexual orientation interferes with 'the proper sense of paternity' that belongs to the priesthood."<br /><br /><br />Scalia obviously is contradicting the Holy Father. How is this loyalty to the Vicar of Christ? <br /><br />The woman is puffed up with herself.Jonathannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9695096.post-40777877364586196092012-07-12T14:14:56.400-07:002012-07-12T14:14:56.400-07:00Referring to the fact that the Vatican has barred ...Referring to the fact that the Vatican has barred men with homosexual tendencies from the priesthood, Scalia suggests that, "the church has reflexively pulled the curtains over a number of her priests."<br /><br />This is nothing less than offensive. The Vatican isn't responding in knee-jerk fashion to the problem of homosexual priests. Most of the abuse which has occurred in the Church has been homosexual in nature.<br /><br />Scalia might consider herself "more Catholic than the Pope" and the Church's Shepherds, But she deceives herself.Wendynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9695096.post-21311355415790849982012-07-12T13:43:59.930-07:002012-07-12T13:43:59.930-07:00Elizabeth Scalia has left a comment here in which ...Elizabeth Scalia has left a comment here in which she states, "My love for the Church and our Holy Father and my obedience to the Church's teachings is amply demonstrated in work that is widely available on the internet."<br /><br />She has a funny way of showing this loyalty. First she cites Joshua Gonnerman, who wrote the following at First Things:<br /><br />"If Christians have any interest in reaching out to the gay community, if we have any hope to speak a message which can touch their hearts as well, we absolutely must be willing to live as their family. Behind his blundering obscenity, behind his facile attempts to explain Scripture away, behind the blatant hypocrisy of his behavior toward those who disagree with him, what Dan Savage means to tell us is, 'The church has far too often, and for the most wrong-headed reasons, failed to be family to gay people.'"<br /><br />Then she writes, "I completely agree. And I really believe that the way to begin to do that is for our bishops and the curia to stop turning a blind eye to a simple truth, that numbered among our priests are faithful, celibate, joyful priests who are homosexual. As I wrote here: 'I wonder if [the Church's] bishops and religious leaders will, for example, have to acknowledge with loving support the numerous celibate homosexual priests who, throughout history and still today, serve her faithfully, courageously, and with great joy. Such an acknowledgment could go a long way repairing that disconnect that keeps everyone talking about tolerance while walking away from it.<br /><br />It would speak to the value of the human person as he is created; it would reinforce the church’s own teaching that the homosexual inclination is not in-and-of-itself sinful; in a sex-saturated culture where “gay” has become in some minds synonymous with “promiscuous” and both heterosexual and homosexual couples see no particular value in chastity, it would present the radical counter-narrative.<br /><br />Most importantly, such an acknowledgment would be call of olly-olly-oxen free for the church herself. Battered by the revelations of the past decade, poorly served by past psychological studies suggesting that child abusers could be “cured” and therefore distrustful of more recent findings that homosexuals are no more inclined to pedophilia than heterosexuals, the church has reflexively pulled the curtains over a number of her priests, and in doing so, she has hidden the idea of “acceptable otherness” from a flock that is sorely in need to see some of it.<br /><br />I love our priests, and honor them, but it’s hard to argue that an unfaithful straight priest is better than a faithful gay one. I would rather see a homosexually-inclined happy, celibate priest be able to live in honesty about who he is, than learn about a hetero priest living a lie. A faithful priest is a faithful priest. A happy, joy-filled priest serves the body of Christ in a powerful way.<br /><br />Allow me to anticipate the argument that the priesthood cannot be open to people the Eastern religions call “imbalanced” and our church calls “disordered.” Find me a priest who doesn’t have some sort of disorder, whether it’s an eating disorder, or an attention-seeking disorder, or a disorder of social ineptness, a hearing disorder, or even a learning disorder. Our priests are human, imperfect, faulty and sometimes broken, just like the rest of us. I think as a church we do ourselves and our dear priests a disservice by pretending that one particular disorder is not represented among them — and we do our gay brothers and sisters a disservice, too, by rendering them only partly visible."<br /><br />Ms. Scalia's attitude toward the Church and her hierarchy, and the Church's position relative to ordaining homosexual men, is disturbing.Paul Anthony Melansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08455719838570381999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9695096.post-18319046546496619322012-07-12T12:43:05.521-07:002012-07-12T12:43:05.521-07:00Have you posted this at Scalia's website? I wo...Have you posted this at Scalia's website? I wonder if she would reply to any of your points...<br /><br /><br />Rory McGinnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9695096.post-43685805243561675922012-07-12T11:46:06.342-07:002012-07-12T11:46:06.342-07:00Who knows this Document “Careful Selection and Tra...Who knows this Document “Careful Selection and Training of Candidates for the States of Perfection and Sacred Orders” which was promulgated by the Vatican’s Sacred Congregation for Religious on February 2nd, 1961?<br />This document was completely eclipsed, ignored, discarded and rejected in the aftermaths the council opened some months later.<br />It can be found in Volume V of Canon Law Digest.<br />The key paragraph regarding homosexuals and the priesthood is on page 471. It occurs under Section D of the Instruction: “The Required<br />Chastity”. Here one can read:<br />“Advancement to religious vows and ordination should be barred to those who are afflicted with evil tendencies to homosexuality or<br />pederasty, since for them the common life and the priestly ministry would constitute serious dangers”.<br />If these instructions had been carefully and obediently applied what a scandal the Church would have avoided!<br />The diabolical disorientation was already at work.jachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17650477732170495698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9695096.post-80841813661212090462012-07-12T10:32:09.668-07:002012-07-12T10:32:09.668-07:00First - probably half of the homo priests in the C...First - probably half of the homo priests in the Catholic Church are not celibate - and homosodomy is commonplace. Why? Because a homosexual living around other homosexuals in close quarters leads to overwhelming temptation for many. So does the presence of immature and confused teenage boys - which for huge numbers are a serious temptation. hence, the 10,000 teenage boys homomolested in the American Catholic Church. You know what? Without trust between priests and young men and their fathers and families, the Catholic Church will continue to decline in the US. Most men I know are fed up with the homoclimate in the church, and do NOT trust priests anymore. The large homo contingent in the priesthood also puts enormous pressure on faithful priests to not preach against the sinfulness and abomination of sexual perversion (which, in our church, is never). Finally - a priest is to be like a father. A homo male - suffering from a severe psychosexual disorder - cannot faithfully represent true maleness to males or females or children (being like a woman instead) - and cannot represent Christ fully either. Of course this piece is from a woman - who is more concerned about the feelings of homosexuals than about the truth of things. That's precisely one reason why females (and homosexuals) should not be the ones in charge. The real truth is the exact opposive - priests should be real, strong, holy and virile males.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9695096.post-21258588678051671732012-07-12T09:27:06.974-07:002012-07-12T09:27:06.974-07:00I've witnessed that very often Ellen. Many wr...I've witnessed that very often Ellen. Many writers get a big head when their writings are widely dispersed. But Mein Kampf has been widely circulated. So has The Communist Manifesto. There are still tens of thousands world-wide who read (and this is frightening: believe) pamphlets such as the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.<br /><br />Murrow was right....a large audience doesn't necessarily mean that the writer is soundStewartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9695096.post-85607605588040635482012-07-12T08:44:44.231-07:002012-07-12T08:44:44.231-07:00Scalia is living proof of the truth which Edward R...Scalia is living proof of the truth which Edward R. Murrow proclaimed, "Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar."<br /><br />So many Catholic writers/bloggers become celebrities and it goes right to their head.<br /><br />Pride goeth before a fall.Ellen Wironkenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15037753678014941848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9695096.post-16308824644441838092012-07-12T08:42:44.725-07:002012-07-12T08:42:44.725-07:00You cannot be a PRACTICING homosexual and claim to...You cannot be a PRACTICING homosexual and claim to be a Christian. That is an oxymoron. The same goes for the Priesthood.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com