Sunday, August 09, 2009

The controversy continues...

From WorldNetDaily, July 28, 2009:

After being attacked by groups ranging from the Southern Poverty Law Center to Media Matters for relentlessly calling on Barack Obama to prove his eligibility for the office of the presidency, CNN's Lou Dobbs wasn't backing off on either his syndicated radio or his television program today.

Once again, he renewed his calls for Obama to produce his long-form birth certificate that would settle doubts about where he was born and offered that the president's actions could actually be "illegal."

Dobbs took on the special-interest groups demanding that CNN shut him up.

"The left is trying to silence their opponents and their competitors in the public marketplace of ideas," he said on his radio show. "One issue in which the ethnocentric issue groups have been trying to silence me is on the issue of illegal immigration. Many of those, if you will, have migrated to me here recently because I, even though I said I believe the president is a citizen of the United States, I don't understand why he shouldn't produce a birth certificate. My God, you're talking about the third rail of American journalism, baby! That's it. I'm not going to back off."
Read the WND article here.


Derek said...

People have been discussing this across the internet, including at the Holy Cross Cardinal Newman Society website. Why doesn't Obama produce the long form birth certificate? You have to admit, the whole matter is very peculiar.

Angela said...

Would that the liberal MSM would scrutinize Obama's background half as much as they did that of Clarence Thomas.

Paul Anthony Melanson said...

I want to make it clear that I'm not taking sides regarding this issue. But a recent Daily Kos/ Research2000 poll shows that 58 percent of Republicans expressed doubts over whether Obama was born in the United States.

Lou Dobbs is right. This controversy could be resolved very simply if an original long-form birth certificate for Obama was made public.

Jim said...

Great point to bring to debate.

I remember George Bush's medical and military records also being secret. It seems like there is a long list of records including Obama's Harvard articles that are sealed at the moment. Should we assume there is trouble? Aren't there witnesses who saw Obama when he was little?

Paul Anthony Melanson said...

It's always amazing how honest questions can provoke such anger and a knee-jerk response from certain sectors of the population. If it's the truth that sets us free (John 8:32), why are we so afraid of it?

Jim said...

I wonder if the White House will give in to the public pressure or if they will go the same route Bush did with his medical and military records. If he gives in will that end the search to discredit him? Or will it simply create a slippery slope where there is precedent for other requests into normally private issues while serving as commander in chief?

It's true, there is a lot of fear and speculation. Friends of mine have even accused Obama of being a Muslim even after it was proven as propaganda.

Derek said...

Jim, you are engaging in falsehood. This is from National Review Online:

Bush and the National Guard: Case Closed

EDITOR'S NOTE: This article appears in the March 8, 2004, issue of National Review.

"Ask retired Brig. Gen. William Turnipseed whether the press has accurately reported what he said about George W. Bush, and you'll get an earful. "No, I don't think they have," he begins. Turnipseed, the former head of the 187th Tactical Reconnaissance Group of the Alabama Air National Guard, was widely quoted as saying he never saw Bush in Alabama in 1972, and if the future president had been there, he would remember. In fact, Turnipseed says, he doesn't recall whether Bush was there or not; the young flier, then a complete unknown in Alabama, was never part of the 900-man 187th, so Turnipseed wouldn't have had much reason to notice him. But most reporters haven't been interested in Turnipseed's best recollection. "They don't understand the Guard, they don't want to understand the Guard, and they hate Bush," he says. "So when I say, ‘There's a good possibility that Bush showed up,' why would they put that in their articles?"

In recent weeks, Turnipseed has found himself in the middle of a battle in which Democrats have called the president a "deserter" who went "AWOL" for an entire year during his time in the Air National Guard. When Democrats made those accusations — amplified by extensive press coverage — the White House was slow to fight back, insisting that the issue, which came up in the 2000 campaign, was closed and did not merit a response. It was only after NBC's Tim Russert brought the story up during a one-hour interview with the president on February 8 that the White House changed course and released records of the president's Guard service.

Those records have not quieted the most determined of the president's enemies — no one who watches the Democratic opposition really believed they would — but they do make a strong case that Bush fulfilled his duties and met the requirements for Air National Guard officers during his service from 1968 to 1973. A look at those records, along with interviews with people who knew Bush at the time, suggests that after all the shouting is over, and some of the basic facts become known, this latest line of attack on the president will come to nothing.

The controversy over Bush's service centers on what his critics call "the period in question," that is, the time from May 1972 until May 1973. What is not mentioned as often is that that period was in fact Bush's fifth year in the Guard, one that followed four years of often intense service..."

Derek said...

Now where is Obama's original long-form birth-certificate? Jim? Why doesn't the Obama administration release the original?

Stewart said...

More to the point Derek, with Obama's poll numbers dropping like a stone, why are we still talking about Bush's National Guard service (which was honorable). The answer is obvious: Obama supporters want to distract us from the fact that Obama is already a gross failure.

Jim said...

Derek, you might be confusing me with an Obama supporter. While I didn't vote for him I can't help but recognize that he is being attacked in the same way Bush was with propaganda.

I do remember people coming forward on behalf of Bush. Do you remember how that didn't reach many people and how the image that he didn't serve held weight for quite a while? I do. Do you remember the same nonsense with his medical records?

All I'm saying here is that we need to stop the propaganda and concentrate on our real enemies, like Al Qaida.

I don't need to see Obama's birth certificate. Just like you the witnesses around him are proof enough he is an American. To make more of this would welcome the idea that he is in some sort of super secret conspiracy that is too fear based to be believable.

I may not like him but I don't think he is some sort of sleeper cell terrorist like other people out there.

Derek said...

Jim, there is no propaganda. Only a truth which you and others would silence. Obama still has not produced an original long-form birth certificate. That shouldn't be difficult. His health plan mentions "end of life services" yet he dismisses critics as creating "bogeymen" when the express concerns over the federal government becoming involved in euthanasia. Have you even read the relevant portion of H.R. 3200? No, of course you haven't. Because that would require a modicum of objectivity.

Bush produced his records when pressed. Obama should do the same. And Obama and his staff should refrain from engaging in knee-jerk reactions and emotionalism when merely queried about their agenda. It is both childish and unprofessional.

Jim Mills said...

Paul, is there any reason you didn't publish my last response? I'd like to know if I violated your rules or something so as not to offend. Thanks for the expected response.

Paul Anthony Melanson said...

Yes Jim, you implied that there is absolutely no reason to inquire as to whether or not Obama is a citizen and that the quest for an answer is not legitimate. You mentioned that you are in law enforcement and that before a warrant may be issued, there must be grounds for one.

Many people believe that there are grounds for questioning Obama's citizenship. See here for example:

At any rate, I see no need for a slug-fest. You communicated your views very articulately as did the others.

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